It is now known that AWARE, under Josie's charge, spent an amount to the tune of $90k for the EGM held on 2 May 2009.
http://www.sgpolitics.net/?p=2883
This amount far exceeds the $20k cap per month the EXCO is allowed to spend. At the EGM, the old guard supporters managed to get that figure from Josie and gang. When Josie's team finally announced the figure $90k as an estimate, there were immediate oohs and aahs. The hall was filled with (pretended and over-exaggerated?) disgust.
It was quite obvious the old guard had prepared to use the amount of money spent as an item to shoot Josie and gang down. However, the tables are now turned. That $90k monster is currently in the hands of the latest EXCO, headed by Dana Lim.
So here is the situation. That $90k monster bill has to be settled. Otherwise, the creditors will come after AWARE with interests, and if the issue drags on, perhaps even with court orders.
It is true that AWARE is able to recover that amount from Josie and gang through legal means. However, that is not the point. The point is that the constitution puts a cap of $20k expenditure per month. Any amount exceeding that, will have to be endorsed by the general members. Since there was no resolution taken on 2 May 2009 to get general members to authorise EXCO to make payments above $20k per month, constitutionally, Dana and company cannot disburse cheques to the amount of $90k to settle that monster bill.
It now appears that what the old guard used (the breaching of $20k per month as per constitution) to shoot Josie and gang down, is now the very monster sitting on Dana and company's laps. So, how do we get rid of that $90k monster?
Looks like the only way left, is to re-convene ANOTHER EGM to approve that EXCO is allowed to clear that bill, which is over the $20k cap!
This is going to be interesting, isn't it?
Here are some issues that need to be noted:
1. Surely, it was foreseeable that the $90k monster bill would be passed from Josie and gang to Dana and gang. Why then did not the old guards at that night of 2 May 2009, at the EGM, get general members to approve that the latest EXCO settle that monster bill?
2. Why did not Siew Kum Hong, the advisor to the old guard, alert the old guard that they need to address the $90k monster that very night?
3. There were several lawyers amongst the old guards, besides their advisor Kum Hong. Why didn't they foresee that the monster bill would be coming their way?
So how is AWARE now going to settle that $90k monster bill? It is beyond the authority of the EXCO to settle it. It has to get the permission of the general members.
Conclusions that can be drawn from this monster bill issue:
1. Josie and gang were inexperienced and that showed clearly when they breached the constitution by incurring a $90k bill.
2. While Josie and gang were inexperienced, Dana and gang were not - yet they did not foresee that $90k coming to them. That shows either incompetence or just lack of responsibility.
3. All the lawyers that were with the old guard, including Siew Kum Hong, did not advise or alert the old guard that the monster bill was heading their way. Again, it is either they are incompetent, or simply irresponsible.
So what next? Can we expect another EGM so that members can approve that EXCO pays off the $90k monster bill? Or is Dana and company going to be quiet about it, and stealthily settle the bills without letting members and the public know that they, like Josie and gang, have breached the constitution?
Note: I brought this issue of the $90k monster bill up at Siew Kum Hong's blog. Click here and read the comments that follow Kum Hong's main post. Kum Hong is totally silent on the topic. Understandably so. He doesn't want to incriminate himself or his "clients" that there was incompetence and/or irresponsibility on his/their part.
Here are some issues that need to be noted:
1. Surely, it was foreseeable that the $90k monster bill would be passed from Josie and gang to Dana and gang. Why then did not the old guards at that night of 2 May 2009, at the EGM, get general members to approve that the latest EXCO settle that monster bill?
2. Why did not Siew Kum Hong, the advisor to the old guard, alert the old guard that they need to address the $90k monster that very night?
3. There were several lawyers amongst the old guards, besides their advisor Kum Hong. Why didn't they foresee that the monster bill would be coming their way?
So how is AWARE now going to settle that $90k monster bill? It is beyond the authority of the EXCO to settle it. It has to get the permission of the general members.
Conclusions that can be drawn from this monster bill issue:
1. Josie and gang were inexperienced and that showed clearly when they breached the constitution by incurring a $90k bill.
2. While Josie and gang were inexperienced, Dana and gang were not - yet they did not foresee that $90k coming to them. That shows either incompetence or just lack of responsibility.
3. All the lawyers that were with the old guard, including Siew Kum Hong, did not advise or alert the old guard that the monster bill was heading their way. Again, it is either they are incompetent, or simply irresponsible.
So what next? Can we expect another EGM so that members can approve that EXCO pays off the $90k monster bill? Or is Dana and company going to be quiet about it, and stealthily settle the bills without letting members and the public know that they, like Josie and gang, have breached the constitution?
Note: I brought this issue of the $90k monster bill up at Siew Kum Hong's blog. Click here and read the comments that follow Kum Hong's main post. Kum Hong is totally silent on the topic. Understandably so. He doesn't want to incriminate himself or his "clients" that there was incompetence and/or irresponsibility on his/their part.
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I cannot understand the purpose of your post. What is your agenda exactly? It is scandalous that you are actually an Aware member because you appear more concerned about its failure than anything else.
A suggestion for you Solo Bear - delete your whole post, and just replace it with the following: "I DO NOT LIKE AWARE, DANA LAM, THE NEW (NEW) EXCO, AND SIEW KUM HONG. PLEASE AGREE WITH ME AS I BAIT THEM AND/OR THEIR SUPPORTERS INTO ENGAGING IN FLAME WARS!!!"
There will then be less to read, but you would still have achieved the same purpose.
You're welcome.
Hi Bear,
in my opinion...
1. They expect Josie and company to fully bear the 90k without realizing that they will be responsible for it once AWARE is taken over.
2. In their euphoria, they have forgotten that they too need to put their spending to a vote. I guess they assumed that they have a blank cheque due to the overwhelming support.
I put it all down to sheer arrogance.
Else why would they proceed to vote in the new exco before Josie and company resigned? It was plain mob rule.
MOE reaffirm again that AWARE's CSE breached MOE's guidelines.
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_374445.html
The homo wackos still don't get it. The parents are not against CSE, they are against AWARE's CSE where anal sex is described as healthy or neutral and virginity is a state of mind. Homos definitely exist, just as paedophile exist. Nobody is denying that. Teach their existence but don't teach our children that it is ok to stick it in the butt. That is NOT OK.
And some homos are gloating, "Oh its not just AWARE's CSE, other CSE from religious organizations are stopped as well. Neh neh-neh ney--neh!"
To this I say well done, MOE. I urge the Ministry to come up with their own CSE programme that reflect Singapore's family values. AWARE should never be allowed to creep into schools again.
But as we all know, homos never learn...
Many don't know the full details. Arranging for the EGM with moving target is not easy. From 800 pax (around 800 dollars for rental) to 3000 pax and many locations not wanting to host the EGM because of bad reputation of old guard. As I understand the rental of Suntec's two halls is about 27K. Other factors like boardroom, accounting firm, cisco, lawyer etc came up to about 40K approx. Mind you, the old guard spent 43 K in the month of march without an EGM. The total spent last year was about 400K. I suspect the reason for the old and new aware not taking action is because they are guilty of spending more that 20K on many occasions themselves! Someone said that she could have got a location with 3K sitting capacity for free. Let us see how this person does it when the next EGM is held.
to anon@2.17: well said.
I am neither anti this nor anti that, guess one knows what I mean without details and specifics.
But I m pro for balance and fairness even tho at times certain readers/writers can construe otherwise which I guess hidden aggenda motivate.
If the booing, jeering and shouting meant that much at Suntec last week, then simply it confirms 'empty vessels makes the most noise generally and literarily speaking, which again non-straight people can and will say otherwise and imply differently.
On this matter of 90k monster, I am glad that Solo find it too beastly to avoid and its courageous of him in contrast to absolute silence and sidestepping from Dana and her team. That much speaks about what they stands for.
Does anyone know who the members of the current Exco comprise? Previously they pointed their fingers at Josie's exco to accuse them of being sectarian Christians and whipped up antagonism towards Josie's agenda (whick was to expose the CSE Homosexual slant). Now, how about the current Exco? How many of them are pro-gay and therefore the new exco can be guilty of being sectarian too?
It is going to be very interesting to see if Dana Lam and gang will set up another EGM to get the member's consent.
If they don't, then they will be doing what they accused Josie and Co. of doing...AGAIN.
Their minions are here...again...this time chanting: "Delete your post, delete your post!"
You have hit another raw nerve.
"The homo wackos still don't get it."
In fact, now they are arguing that the parents have no right to educate their kids and gays/activists too should have a say because they are paying taxes for funding medical expenses arising from alleged increase in sex-related disease cases due to lack of sexuality education.
They do not realise that the majority pay taxes too, and gays have proportionately higher incidence of those diseases.
They just don't get it.
Homos don't get it because their brains are in their sexual organs.
"How many of them are pro-gay and therefore the new exco can be guilty of being sectarian too?"
How many are married with kids, how many are lesbians, how many are divorced?
They can never claim to be representative of pro-family and conservative majority.
Their declaration that the rift will not be mended is a veiled rejection of values they do not accept.
Talk about inclusiveness and diversity.
Stealthily brainwashing the children behind the parents' back, they expect trust and respect.
They have repeatedly committed the same acts they condemned.
Talk about integrity.
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To Anon @9 May 2009 10:29 AM
Do you know for sure Aware spent $400K last year? Was this within their FY? Do we know if any EGM was called to approve any expenditure above $20K? If you have hard evidence, can it made available? Because if you are correct, then under Constance Singam's watch, they exceeded their constitutional right by $160K. To persecute Josie and team, the previous exco has to be personally accountable for $160K first
No, I do not know that AWARE spent $400k last year. I just joined AWARE before the EGM.
However, anyone who attended the last AGM SHOULD have been supplied with the audited accounts. There were about 100+ members who attended the AGM. That means there are about 100+ copies in circulation.
Anyone out there who could get a hold of it, scan it and publish it online?
PS - The audited accounts is NOT CONFIDENTIAL.
Aware is an Institution of Public Character (IPC). IPCs are required to post their financial information on their own website or website representing them. This is not done in Aware's website and I am not sure if there is a website representing them. Does anyone know?
From https://www.charities.gov.sg/charity/index.do
Posting of IPC’s Information Online
All IPCs are required to post the financial and non-financial information as stated in the template online i.e. own Internet website, Internet website of the respective Sector Administrator or Charity Portal.
One of the current exco Chew I-Jin who was part of the old guard team that was in JL's exco as well, is a know lesbian. She is a lecturer @ Singapore Polytechnic in the school of Architecture & Built Environment (ABE). Have been there for about 2 years. Heard from people who knows her that her father abused her badly.
http://www.facebook.com/people/I-Jin-Chew/627878168
I really cannot understsand what you aim to achive by your this post. it is totally nonsensical (though true) and plain stupid.
Everyone knows that during the fiasco, membership increases tremendously and AWARE took in more than 100k of new membership fees. 90K in this instance, is peanuts as far as payment is concerned.
Since you already raised the point that Josie's gangs has breached constitution by spending the 90k, what then is stopping Dana to claim that amount back from Josie legally?
Why even bother with a lawyer to give the advise when even a layman like me can figure out the solution. I am sure Dana and her gangs are not stupid and would already have a certain course of action planned.
On a personnal note, what I would do is simply:
1. Call for an EGM to get approval for the 90k payment to AWARE's creditors. Most of the members are already aware of Josie's doings, so it would be a breeze to get approval, not to mention the additional 100k from membership fees.
2. Once EGM approves, clear the bill and then sue josie and gang to cover the 90k, simply right?
>>Everyone knows that during the fiasco, membership increases tremendously and AWARE took in more than 100k of new membership fees. 90K in this instance, is peanuts as far as payment is concerned.
Since you already raised the point that Josie's gangs has breached constitution by spending the 90k, what then is stopping Dana to claim that amount back from Josie legally?
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The point is not the recovery of the money. The point is that the constitution is breached and hence the only way to have it rectified is for general members to approve the monster bill.
>>On a personnal note, what I would do is simply:
1. Call for an EGM to get approval for the 90k payment to AWARE's creditors. Most of the members are already aware of Josie's doings, so it would be a breeze to get approval, not to mention the additional 100k from membership fees.
2. Once EGM approves, clear the bill and then sue josie and gang to cover the 90k, simply right?
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That is exactly what I am trying to say Dana and Company should do. But they are not doing it.
Hi solo bear
Where can I read the Constitution of AWARE?
Thank you!
Well done Solo Bear. You've got them into a case of damned-if-they-do, damned-if-they-don't scenario, and that is why they can't reply with anything beyond personal attacks.
As for SKH, he is retracting from his pro-Repeal 377A stand and claiming a neutral position. Regrettable for an NMP who is supposed to be speaking for the people.
Well done as well to those who have cornered SKH and Dana Lam supporters. Never knew SKH's blog could be that interesting to read :D
Fish and Chips
You can go to my site and download the constitution. Look for the link right at the bottom of my home webpage.
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not very bright are we, anon@2.32pm.
mr siew is in no way 'retracting' from his pro-repeal stance on 377A. he is still pro-repeal. this does not make him pro-gay, it makes him pro-equal rights for every singaporean. there is actually a difference.
and no, let me pre-empt you, this is not another personal attack. this is simply pointing out an obvious flaw in reasoning.
it doesn't matter really, SKH doesn't need your vote.
Hi solo bear
I've got it.
Thank you once again!
Obviously if they have to call an EGM to settle the issue, they will... but seriously, what's your issue?
he's just grasping at straws trying to show that the new (old) exco is incompetent and should not be in office, because they haven't made it clear how they are going to settle the 90k bill.
If 377a is not enforceable, why keep it?
One can be still neutral on gay issues while advocating the repeal of 377a.
Btw bear means hairy masculine gay men.
So you run solo ah... LOL...
>>Btw bear means hairy masculine gay men.
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Bear is mascot of Russia. It also means downturn in stock market.
Confirming that gays see only sex, sex, sex?
Solo bear, fyi, the 90K that Josie's team spent was fully paid up the night of the EGM. Therefore, Dana does not have to think about the payment. The fact of the matter is, enough money was in the kitty and also the money generated from membership about 120K with left over after the payment was made.
How do you know it was spent already? I doubt so.
The point is not the ability to pay. It is about breaching constitution.
Dana still has to come back to the general members.
Contrary, 377a should be made enforceable eg when catch in police sting operation in red light district, night clubs so forth.
In addition to this, the law should be made consistent ie all anal sex or any form of sex that is known to be disease causing should be made illegal, regardless if it is male-male, male-female, female-female. Otherwise, MHA is contradicting what MOH, MOE, MCYS are doing. How did we get into this mess?
Anonymous at 5:25 PM says
"In addition to this, the law should be made consistent ie all anal sex or any form of sex that is known to be disease causing should be made illegal, regardless if it is male-male, male-female, female-female. Otherwise, MHA is contradicting what MOH, MOE, MCYS are doing. How did we get into this mess?"
Stupid fool, sex does not CAUSE disease, but it can SPREAD disease.
I think you will be surprised to know that ALL FORMS OF SEX (whether anal, vaginal or oral) CAN SPREAD DISEASE, so by your logic, THE LAW SHOULD PROHIBIT ANY KIND OF SEX ALTOGETHER.
Very obviously your parents helped spread a disease when they conceived you. That's right, the disease of STUPIDITY.
Kindly submit yourself to the authorities so they can ensure proper containment of the disease.
Fool.
To Anonymous at 5:25 PM, see the words 'that is known to be disease causing'?
1. Anal sex is disease causing as the penis is exposed to faecal matters in the rectum. You will at least get urinary tract infection. This should be made illegal, and the law is enforceable.
2. Sex with someone who is infected with a sexually transmittable disease is also disease causing. So, a person has HIV and willfully have sex with another person, esp when the other person is not informed, should be charged in court for committing an illegal act that is enforceable by law.
Anonymous at 14 May 8:44 AM says:
"1. Anal sex is disease causing as the penis is exposed to faecal matters in the rectum. You will at least get urinary tract infection. This should be made illegal, and the law is enforceable."
So if the penis is exposed to vaginal matter including yeast, bacteria, menstrual blood and/or other bodily secretions there will definitely be no "diseases"?
Please, kindly get a diagnosis for LACK OF BRAINS.
Fool.
Anon 3.05pm:
Do a google. There are plenty of resources available on the internet about the dangers and health risks of anal sex.
To start off, here are some:
""However, anal sex is the riskiest form of sexual activity because the skin inside the anus is highly susceptible to tearing, which can create openings for viruses and bacteria to enter the body."
http://www.soc.ucsb.edu/sexinfo/category/anal-sex#dangers
"Anal cancer affects men and women, but it is the only cancer with a greater prevalence among men who have sex with men (MSM) than in the general population."
http://lgbthealth.healthcommunities.com/msmcancer/index.shtml
"The risk for transmitting HIV from an infected partner to an uninfected partner through unprotected insertive anal intercourse (UIAI) is greater than the risk for transmission through receptive anal intercourse or oral sex (2)."
http://www.cdc.gov/MMWR/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5338a1.htm
-- project lucy
project lucy,
Why don't you also do a google on the dangers and health risks of other forms of sex as well?
Do you not see the foolish anon is promoting a ban on all sexual activities that can spread/cause disease? Which means that, unless you can find proof that other forms of sex are protected from disease, effectively all forms of sex should be subject to a legal crackdown?
Anon 5.13pm:
I believe the anon is saying that sex activities that increase the risk of being infected with sexual diseases should be banned or at least discouraged. This is to prevent further spread of these diseases and to protect the healths of individuals. -- project lucy
Thanks, Solo Bear. I appreciate your objective views on the Aware saga. Other online media are really skewed.
If it is proven that homosexual is natural and thus homosexual sex should be legalised.
Then, isn't it proven that once a person over age of 12 have the sex drive and have ability to give birth and have sex and thus gal and guy after that age should be allow to have sex?
Why is it illegal that a guy can have multiple wife when we know that guys are driven by sex. (mostly)
Please educate me.. thanks
What is the meaning of marriage anyway?
Why do people these days still need to go for marriage when there are so many divorce.
Why is there a need to get married when people can simply have sex with anyone in any gender?
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