Saturday, 14 June 2008

Human Rights - Walter Woon is commenting from a global perspective

I know this will rub many the wrong way. But since when I have been known to be playing to the gallery?

Did you see the storm in the teacup? I know my opponents will see the storm. I see the teacup. Here is a report (courtesy by Molly Meek) of AG Woon’s speech on the above. http://mollymeek.livejournal.com/191432.html (scroll down to half way the page)

I take note that AG Woon did not mention any particular party. Yet we have parties who jump the gun, because they feel they have been targeted, or at least their ideals have been targeted.

I see the bigger picture. Human rights is just not about “my rights”, but fairness and justice. However, in today’s world, it has truly turned into “my rights”, rather than fairness and justice.

Let’s use Woon’s actual words and see if it is true.

“Human rights has become a ‘religion’ that breeds devotees who border on the fanatic.

It would be ‘hypocrisy’ for such people to decide what is acceptable for the rest of society.”


If you look at the world, there are many forms of governance. Unfortunately, many so called human rights activists will take that the only acceptable form of governance to be democracy – and even that too, democracy as known to the west.

Firstly, let us look at the various forms of possible governance that so called human rights activists around the world see as “oppressive”. One example is communism as practised by Russia and China. My question is who are these activists to claim that this form of governance is oppression? What about Kingdoms, as in Saudi? What is wrong with that?

As a comparison, is the American Presidential Election system any more democratic? What “choice” do you really have, when there are effectively only 2 parties you can only vote? Is this really democracy?

However, the same activists who are quick to point out that the people of Russia or China have no choice, are dead silent that Americans are not too far off either. On the other hand, even third world countries have multiple parties you can choose from. Yet, America is seen as the champion of such human rights!

Secondly, and more importantly, there have been cases where the governments of certain lands have been democratically elected, yet when the US interferes and tries to remove them, these same human rights activists remain stone silent.

Iran has a democratically elected government. Yet, the US has been urging a regime change! Where are the protests of these human rights activists protesting against the US for trying to demolish a democratically elected government?

Another example is Hamas which was elected by the Palestinians. Israel and US don’t seem comfortable with this group. US and Israel have been aiding the Fatah backed party into power. Where are the protests of these human rights activists protesting against the US for trying to demolish a democratically elected government - Hamas?

It appears that Woon is right. Human rights HAS become a “religion” that breeds devotees who border on the fanatic. They will go round “demonising” parties that are not pro-US or pro-West. They set standards and expect others to follow those standards.

Thirdly, it appears that Human Rights Activists do pick and choose (as Woon alleges) what "democracy" should be. As an example, I cite China's Tianenmen Square Incident 1989 and Algeria's Elections 1991.

In 1989, when Chinese citizens called for democracy in China and were eventually physically mowed down by the military, activists were quick in condemning the massacre. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989

On the other hand, in 1991, when Algeria held DEMOCRATIC ELECTIONS, which saw an Islamic opposition party heading for a landslide victory, the ruling government stopped the elections, used the military and caused a massacre, Tianenmen style. No human rights activists protested. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerian_National_Assembly_elections,_1991

In both cases, the citizens called for democracy. However, in China, the people called for a democracy, US style. So the activists supported them. In Algeria, the people wanted democracy – Islamic (perhaps Iran) style. So the activists ignored them.

Woon is right about the selective process of these Human Rights Activists.

Yet another example is the China’s Tibet vs US occupation in Iraq - Activists have been quick to point out that China has been oppressing Tibet. The Olympic Torch protests bear testimony to that. Yet no protest of US treatment of innocent civilians (including torture)?

There are countless of such inconsistencies. The point is that Human Rights has now become a political tool, used by politicians to gain political leverage. Human Rights activists, who probably are none the wiser, are being used as pawns in this menacing game.

So all issues which fall in line with US terms, will get attention. That includes Tianenmen, Dalai Lama, etc. All issues which put US and its allies in bad light, like the oppression of Iraqis and Palestinians, are hidden under the carpet.


My Conclusion

I feel Woon is right about this selective process, where it has become some sort of fanatics’ movement. He sees the global picture where certain groups set their own rules, and expect others to follow those self-set rules. So he comments such. Although he did not name any parties, I see his point.

We also have groups in Singapore who think on a smaller scale. Like Chee being jailed. I do empathise Chee. However, Woon’s words must be seen in the global context. That’s because Human Rights is about global issues and not just Singapore’s.

My advice to activists in Singapore is that before you draw your gun, take a step backwards, study Woon’s words and reflect. He may be talking about someone else or something else in the first place.

In other words, you may have barked up the wrong tree.

15 comments:

black feline said...

"That’s because Human Rights is about global issues and not just Singapore’s."
What utter rubbish! If you can't get it right in your own backyard..don't even try with big issues..u make a mockery..Does he knows anything about human rights..other than from textbooks..for a start? Has he contributed to the betterment of human rights both locally and globally? Nothing. So dont kid us.we are not idiots!

Ah Seng said...

To black feline:

So you know it better? Argue your case, please.

Gerald said...

I agree with your call for moderation, but disagree with your argument human rights activists are all 'selective' in their criticisms.

Groups like Human Rights Watch have never supported the Iraqi invasion. Many even expressed dismay with Saddam's execution. Yet it is these groups that fall under Walter Woon's 'religious fanatics' label.

The hypocrites are those in Western governments who use human rights as a political tool to pressure governments they have other disagreements (eg, trade) with.

It is important to distinguish the two, rather than painting all human rights activists with the same brush.

Solo Bear said...

Gerald,

The core issue is – as Singaporeans, what do we want? A voice for the people or “Human Rights”?

If it is to voice the injustices like what PAP has done to CJS or JBJ, then we can always discuss that, without bringing up Human Rights.

“Human Rights” has big implications. It also means the fighting of rights of “other oppressed parties”, which we have no connection with. Like the call for China to stop oppressing Tibet.

There is no such thing as a free lunch. Launch the Human Rights campaign, which opens the door for outsiders to aid us in our attempt to pressure the PAP, and the price is that the Human Rights groups will pressure you later on, to lobby for them – including protesting against China. Are you comfortable with that?

I say let’s keep it clean. We can still talk about the injustices PAP has been meting out to us. But let’s not cloud the issue with Human Rights, which has wider and even unseen implications.

It is from this viewpoint, I agree with Woon that we should not get to involved in this Human Rights stuff. After all, they will dictate what we should do, once we form with them the unholy alliance.

Wouldn't it be ironical that we then only end up beholden to an outside party, after we set ourselves free from the chains of the PAP?

black feline said...

to Ah seng:

Who are u? and you are numbo apa? do u know it better? I dont think so.

Solo Bear said...

Black feline,

For a change, instead of making sweeping statements, how about backing them up?

Back up your statement that Woon knows nothing about Human Rights, which you know.

Dr Syed Alwi said...

If you people wanna surrender your rights - well thats your business. Over my dead body will I surrender my Human Rights !

Human Rights is the weapon by which citizens can fight against tyranny and corruption !

Anonymous said...

"That’s because Human Rights is about global issues and not just Singapore’s."


The context of Woon's speech suggests he is using global issues to support his take on Singapore's situation. But Woon chose to remain vague, perhaps deliberately so. And he steered away from any specifics of Singapore's situation. So what does that tell us?

Making these general motherhood statements is as good as not saying anything.

As the new AG, Woon is perhaps only trying to shore up the tattered reputation of the judiciary that has been damaged by the country's executive. Especially the embarrassing defamation suits that were going on at that time.

Anonymous said...

"I say let’s keep it clean. We can still talk about the injustices PAP has been meting out to us. But let’s not cloud the issue with Human Rights, which has wider and even unseen implications."


human rights is a wild card that opens doors. in a globalized world, humans are beginning to share commonalities. therefore, what happens in someone's backyard may irk your neighbors.

getting your neighbors to help in a common cause is not wrong. even the pap is guilty of that.

Solo Bear said...

>>As the new AG, Woon is perhaps only trying to shore up the tattered reputation of the judiciary that has been damaged by the country's executive. Especially the embarrassing defamation suits that were going on at that time.
>>

Below is my reply to Farquhar of TOC, which I believe could be applied here too. Hope you don't mind my pasting "same answer" over here....

Of course, his words can be alluded to local issues, especially with Chee’s case just happening recently. However, I still believe he is speaking about global issues because:

- He was an ambassador and hence, is more tuned to global rather than local issues at the time of his speech.

- He has before his ambassadorship, been very critical of the PAP as an NMP.

If he could be so strongly critical of the local government when he was tuned to local issues then, isn’t it natural for him to be critical of global governments when he is tuned to global issues now?

Having mentioned that, I also feel that if we want change, we are at liberty to vote the PAP out. Why must we get involved with Human Rights, which we know have a dark history of abuse?

Anonymous said...

"Having mentioned that, I also feel that if we want change, we are at liberty to vote the PAP out. Why must we get involved with Human Rights, which we know have a dark history of abuse?"

Get real. Do you think you have the liberty to vote the PAP out? Or are you being fed the illusion that you have that liberty? The PAP has engineered elections that are not very different from those of Saddam's Iraq. Were such elections even meaningful?

And to say that human rights does not matter is to betray a fundamental ignorance and understanding of the history and progress of mankind and civilisation.

Solo Bear said...

>>Get real. Do you think you have the liberty to vote the PAP out?

Which do you think is easier? Crossing on the opposition column of your voting slip, or getting HR groups to twist PAP's arms, so that they stop redrawing boundaries, stop suing opposition members etc?

Anonymous said...

Which do you think is easier? Crossing on the opposition column of your voting slip, or getting HR groups to twist PAP's arms, so that they stop redrawing boundaries, stop suing opposition members etc?

You need both. Don't neuter yourself politically by suggesting the choice has to be one over the other and hence give up on one of them.

Anonymous said...

So long then post I thought you like to bash the old man but then I realised you are just subverting readers.... to your view.
Geeky Coder

CTL said...

"The core issue is – as Singaporeans, what do we want? A voice for the people or “Human Rights”? "

Interesting comment. But I wonder if one is the prerequisite of the other; and if so, which should come first?