Either we Singaporeans are being locked in or our detainees are having a ball of a time being free!
I am somehow not totally convinced with this JI terror stuff. I have made my thoughts clear in this past post of mine - Fighting Terror or Witch Hunt?
The argument I gave in the article is that all governments of countries will try to create an “atmosphere of fear”, so that citizens will rally behind the government. The case I cited was the arrest of a few young and bright “Muslim radicals” who were influenced by the internet. I further argued that there was a precedent to this arrest, when we witnessed in the 1980s, the arrest of over 20 Catholics under the ISA, for "conspiracy" against the government.
Many questions are left unanswered in this latest fiasco. We have a limping man, and yet, he escapes a “high security” detention camp. The questions on the security lapse is obvious. I will however, touch on the arrest and detention itself.
If well and truly he is the mastermind behind the foiled attacks, what the heck has the government been waiting for so long, to charge him for terrorism? This gives me a lot to worry about.
It appears that the government does not have enough evidence to charge him, yet detain him, in the hope to gather the (non-existence) evidence against him while awaiting trial.
Either that, or the arrest was just a show to the public, that the government is “doing something” about the “war on terror”, when in fact the security plans by our government is probably non-existent.
The fact that a half-fit, limping man, is able to escape the eyes of our security men and cameras, in a high security detention centre, speaks volumes about the lack of security infrastructure of our government.
The government has released JI detainees before. The reason given is that they have been “reformed”. How do we know? This again is a worrying point. It could be that the government never really felt that they were a threat in the first place, but simply go round witch-hunting, the way they witch-hunted “Marxists” within the Catholic Church in the 1980s.
So what do I make about the Great Escape? The media portrays we have a dangerous criminal on the loose. I believe that the Great Criminal is not so dangerous as what the government tells us, but probably a misguided person, and was probably “let loose” to detract us from other issues which have been hot on the news – like how did a bunch of overpaid clowns make a multi-billion dollar miscalculation in their budget.
Relax, my fellow Singaporeans. The Great Escapee would be caught soon as what the script has been written. If he is not caught, you can relax too. The Great Escapee isn’t much of a threat as what the government would like you to believe.
Like in the 1980s, where Roman Catholics were the targets of the “Marxist” Threat, in the 2000s, it is the Muslim “radicals” who are the targets of the “Terror” Threat.
Every government uses fear to control its citizens. Why should we be playing the government’s game? The government wants us to believe this is the Great Escape. I think it is probably the Great Decoy.
Eh, Singaporeans! Why you so bodoh think I escape from detention so easy when even you NS men cannot escape from Singapore immigration without doing your NS? Wake up lah!
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bro,
its not called detention without trial for nothing.
If there were a trial, he would most definitely be hanged.
why i see the same post of yours all over the place.
you yourself spreading fear
Anonymous
>>its not called detention without trial for nothing.
If there were a trial, he would most definitely be hanged.
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That is my point! If truly they have evidence of his terror plans, just charge him, hang him and we are free of one terrorist cell.
The fact that they did not charge him and placed him under detention without trial, makes me suspect they don't have enough evidence against him.
This is the wayang I am talking about. The government only wants to show that they are tackling terror and probably picked up a scapegoat.
What we have learnt and should always remember are that the JI operatives are extremely dedicated and deadly disciples of Osama Bin Ladin. This particular JI operative was forged from the fires of Afghanistan and perhaps the most intelligent and cunning amongst the organisation. How else could he be their leader! That he has escaped is an indication of how dangerous JI operatives truly are. In my view, it is not the fault of our security forces. It is easy with the benefit of hindsight to criticise but bear in mind that even the CIA and the FBI could not prevent 9-11. Even the British M15 could not prevent the London bombings. We should rally behind and support our security forces and not undermine them.
Given Singapore's suga-suga death sentence, it could easier put all terrorist to death but it didn't. YOu are right. They did not have evidence proofing him as a powerful terrorist in the first place.
As for the lackey, Nicholas Lazarus is PAP bootlicker that should be banned. What he says cannot stand scrutiny.
"... it is not the fault of our security forces"
So it also not the fault of our useless ministers to raise their own salary too !
Lackey is always a lackey just like leopard never change its spot. I just wish someone write spam filter to spam off propagandic message from the PAP. This lackey obviously want to score point and make himself multi-millions (or billion) salary minister. Give him a boot instead.
There is no point in finger pointing....The next few days are all eyes on sg govt...how they deal with will be important...home minster had said there is security lapse...meaning the normal protocol was not put in practice..i have feeling lot of heads will roll from the ISD....we must try capture him ALIVE...so we can understand more better how he did it...furthermore,killing him will create a back-lash within muslim community and muslim nations surronding us...i seriously doubt the msians are sincere in assisting sg....when i went to JB yesterday,the msian immigration officers were jocking about how easy to escape from ISD..well,the point is this guy,a terroist had just broke 40 decade long iron curtain of the ISD has a impregnable force...i am sure we have not the heard the last of mas selamat...
ALERT: NL is going through the S'pore Daily, copy & paste the same old stuff everybody in the list. NL is a member of YPAP, he is doing his rounds.
http://www.youngpap.org.sg/abtus_execommittee.shtml
Nicholas,
I have never really believed in all this war against “terror” stuff in the first place. All the “evidence” just does not match up. No one has been convicted for the Sep 11 attacks after so many years. Bashir’s sentence seems to be ever-reducing by the courts when he should have been executed. Selamat’s non-conviction seems queer. Hell, if the evidence against all these terrorists is so clear, why don’t just charge them and dispose them so that the world will be free of these terrorists?
On top of that, many other questions have been unanswered. They include named “terrorists” in hijacked planes on 11 Sep 2005, who are STILL ALIVE AND WALKING today…Osama’s ability to beat Jesus Christ in the number of times he resurrected….a namelist from the airlines of the hijacked planes that show NO ARAB names…pre-knowledge of the 911 attacks, when counters of the United Airlines and American Airlines showed very heavy trading, anticipating a drop in shares days BEFORE 11 Sep 2005….blah, blah, blah.
The same scenario is repeated with the London Blasts on 7 Jun 2005. Here is an amazing video clip showing you that a terror drill was in place on 7 Jul 2005, and very coincidentally, the real blasts took place at the EXACT TIME AND PLACE of the supposed drill!
If that doesn’t convince you, here is evidence that there is pre-knowledge of that attack too, when some investors shorted the sterling pound days BEFORE the London attacks!
And if that doesn’t convince you, here is evidence that the mastermind is an MI6 agent of the British Force, just like Osama bin Laden was a CIA agent!
Strange coincidences? Think not.
Singapore, a lackey of the US, will of course have to bootlick GW Bush’s whims and fancy in this war against “terror”. I won’t be surprised that Selamat’s escape was planned from an outside source – and it isn’t Al Qaida or JI!
Oops, the WTC attacks was on 11 Sep 2001 and not in 2005.
Erm. This guy was trying to blow up things and kill people.
The 'Marxist' 'Conspirators' were trying to help maids.
Very different.
Agagooga:
>>Erm. This guy was trying to blow up things and kill people.
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That’s what the government says. Are you not going to do a little more search to convince yourself, rather than accepting wholesale what the government tells you?
I have mentioned in this post that in ALL countries, the government will try to create a sense of fear. Singapore, being a strong supporter of the US, will of course have to lick the boots of GW Bush in his mad push for war for oil…er I mean, war against terror.
However, this is the reality check….
The War in Afghanistan is about OIL.
The War in Iraq is about OIL.
Many Americans have woken up to the fact that they have been deceived by the Bush Regime, however, the Singapore government, being beholden to GW Bush, will of course play this game of fighting against “terror”.
Singapore, a strong supporter of the US, has to be a lackey, in order to win favours from US.
Note my quotes are wrapped around “terror” and not even “war against terror”. That gives you an idea how skeptical I am about this “terror” stuff.
Even if Selamat did escape from the toilet, how the heck did he escape WDR’s heavily guarded, double-fenced, heavily patrolled, dog-guarded, CCTV monitored compound?
Isn’t there even one camera that was rolling at the compounds to give us an idea how he managed to magically walk through walls and fences a la David Copperfield?
Can’t Singaporeans think? Or is it that PAP has indeed successfully moulded the minds of Singaporeans into non-thinkers?
The government is using scare tactics to intimidate Singaporeans just like what the Bush Regime is trying to do with Americans. I do not buy the argument that Selamat is more dangerous than the Marxist conspirators because I never believed the official story.
I have mentioned that I have never bought the lies told by the Bush Regime, which is parroted by the Singapore government.
Telling the world that we are fighting terror sounds much better than telling the world we need to invade countries so that we can enjoy cheap oil.
Maybe a microchip was planted in him sometime ago and he was 'allowed' to escape, hoping that he will lead them to their nest (?).
Errmmmm Toilet Breaks ;) ;)
rofl
Very lame leh
Seem like the toilet is the best place to escape :)
---> how innovative.
It is a curious confusion to move from the proposition that the government has an interest in lying to us, and that they have lied to us in the past, to the proposition that everything they tell us is a lie.
Do YOU accept wholesale what the government tells you?
Do you know that the Mossad was behind the World Trade Center bombings?
The moon landings were faked. Yes, the world really is FLAT.
Do you know that The New World Order runs the world? Bush invading Iraq? WRONG. It was the ILLUMINATI.
Agagooga:
>>It is a curious confusion to move from the proposition that the government has an interest in lying to us, and that they have lied to us in the past, to the proposition that everything they tell us is a lie.
Where have I even suggested that they lie to us about everything? My main point is that the US needs an excuse to invade for OIL – and Singapore, being so dependent on US and being US’s lackey, will of course parrot word for word, what the US says.
The above point is made in context with this war on “terror”.
How did you try to slip in the theory of a Flat World or a the Faked Moon Landing theory, is beyond me.
Why don’t you address my points instead of skirting the issue? Here are my points to in my last comment to you, to support my claim the war against “terror” is actually a war to control the flow of OIL.
In the Afghanistan hyperlink found in my last comment, I argued that way before Sep 2001 (the 911 attacks), there was a plan to topple the Taliban and replace it with a government that is more friendly to America, for the purpose of building an 800 km oil pipeline across the country.
The document I gave in my argument, is linked to US government website. In fact, it is the minutes of the 150th Congress Meeting. I did not give a dubious link out of nowhere.
In the Iraq hyperlink found in my last comment, the link I gave to support my argument happens to be from the BBC. Again, I did not give you a dubious link.
How did the subject divert to a flat earth or a faked moon landing beats me. Perhaps you have difficulty in rebutting my arguments that this war against “terror” is truly a pack of lies by the US government, parroted by the Singapore government.
Conspiracy theories all use the same logic, and if one accepted your assertions, one would accept the others, like the Flat Earth and the Faked Moon Landings.
Afghanistan: A mere statement of a corporate figure to Congress does not represent the intentions of the entire United States government.
Congress hears plenty of testimony, so you can go and mine congressional archives to dig up all the funny things people say. This is "US Interests in the Central Asian Republics" hearing before the Subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific of the Committee on International Relations of the House of Representatives, not 'Instructions to the US government from their corporate paymasters'.
You're committing the fallacy of post hoc, ergo propter hoc - just because B follows A does not mean that A causes B.
If I walk into the room and say, 'I have arrived', and there's suddenly a clap of lightning, it doesn't mean that I caused the lightning.
Iraq: Just because one Australian minister (not even the Prime Minister) mentions oil does not mean Australia is motivated by oil. Ministers are not part of the Borg - what they say does not represent the whole, 'monolithic' entity of Government.
Even if Australia were motivated by oil, it does not mean that America was motivated by oil.
And note that even the minister claims that oil was but *A* key factor, not *THE* key factor behind Australia's presence there.
Agagooga,
On Afghanistan. It was not just a corporate man talking. It was presented to the US government, with a clear message to the White House, that if they do not do something to replace the Taliban, the company would stop its oil plans. If you follow up the links from my article, you would have noticed that a deal between the oil company was signed immediately with the new Afghan government. Carry on reading and you will notice that Karzai, the new PM, was working for the oil company that presented its case to Congress to have the Taliban replaced!
Strange coincidences?
On Iraq, if you do your search, you will know that the Australian PM is not the only one who dares to claim that the Iraq War is about oil. There is a way to test if it is for oil or WMDs. Saddam is disposed and there are no WMDs now. So why is America still in there? Because it would be worse? Well, UK pulled out from Basra and the whole city became more peaceful! What excuse does US have now?
These points are over and above the facts that all the evidence so far about 911 and the London Blasts don’t add up. There were signs of pre-knowledge for both instances. For 911, put options were bought in large numbers against United Airlines and American Airlines at the NY and Chicago exchange days before the attack, in anticipation that those stocks would fall. That’s a very big lead. Instead, that piece of information is buried, yet the US depended on some dubious video tape conveniently left by the Taliban in some remote mountains!
For the London Blasts, there was also signs of pre-knwoledge when investors shorted the pound in huge volumes days before the attacks. Yet, the British investigators ignored that very material piece of evidence. Isn’t it easier to trace the names of these investors than to go on a witch-hunt that eventually killed an innocent Brazilian?
The list of coincidences does not end there. Strangely for both 911 and the London Blasts, security cameras failed to work at the critical places and the critical times!
Then what about the hijackers of the 911 attacks who were named by the FBI, only for them to be found walking, fit and healthy in other parts of the world? What about the list of passenger names released by UA and AA, that contained no Arab names? You mean to say the airport authorities allowed over a dozen Arabs onto the planes, with no Arab sounding names on their passports? It must be remembered that days before 911, there was an alert issued by the US. Why the lax security then? Like why the lax security that led to Selamat’s escape?
Before you claim that I am a conspiracy engager, lifting news from 1 or 2 sources, I suggest you do you homework yourself. I have been following this war or “terror” since 2001. All the official stories given by the US, which are also parroted by the Singapore government, does not add up.
The latest twist that does not add up in this war on “terror”, is that it took more than 72 hours after Selamat’s escape for the police to tell us that he limps only when he walks fast. Well, 72 hours is long enough for Selamat to talk a cool, leisurely walk out of Singapore, because everyone has been looking for a limping man!
What more screw-ups, “mistakes” and silly errors can we expect from the authorities to keep this story that we need to fight terror going?
Something is truly fishy about this war on “terror” – including Selamat’s great Houdini act.
Correction - in my last post I meant to say it was the Australian FM, not PM, who was not the only one who dares claim that the Iraq War is about oil and not terror.
Isn't too high a price to pay just to lie to Singaporeans and the world?
The incident has caused relevant authorities to lose face and worse yet, tarnish our reputation.
For Singapore, our rep's probably one of the most important thing for a country like ours.
So why would they take such a huge risk?
There is no doubt that there are still many many puzzling issues regarding the escape that haven't been dealt with... yet.
But like what DPM Wong mentioned, more details will be released to the public, so why not wait till then to see if the report/explanation would be convincing or sufficient?
Why is there a need to read so much into things here?
Solo Bear, what you've said in your post is simply too hard to swallow even for a skeptical Singaporean like me.
>>Isn't too high a price to pay just to lie to Singaporeans and the world?
The incident has caused relevant authorities to lose face and worse yet, tarnish our reputation.
For Singapore, our rep's probably one of the most important thing for a country like ours.
So why would they take such a huge risk?
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My belief is that the Singapore government has bitten far too much it can now chew. When the first “terror strike” occurred in Sep 2001, Singapore, being a staunch ally of the US, supported the US in its war against “terror”. Once in it, there is no turning back for Singapore.
I have given enough links in various posts in this blog for readers to read. The links show that the war on “terror” is all about oil. Terror is just used as an excuse to invade.
>>Solo Bear, what you've said in your post is simply too hard to swallow even for a skeptical Singaporean like me.
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I am fully aware of that. Most Singaporeans just accept what the government says – including the fact that in spite that there are no WMDs in Iraq and no endorsement from the UN, US invaded Iraq and Singapore sent troops for technical support.
The Iraq war we support is illegal because the UN never sanctioned it. Technically, our leaders are now war criminals. Technically, if Iraq wins and US loses, Iraq can bring our leaders to an international court to stand trial as war criminals.
Many Singaporeans find it hard to swallow that technical fact above, just like you find it difficult to swallow what I’ve said about the Singapore government has put up a wayang.
The Singapore government has gone too far to turn back. Many Singaporeans don’t question the government. For me, I don’t just accept things. I question. The answers aren’t coming in.
Hi Solo Bear,
I fully understand the points you have mentioned, and I do not find it hard to swallow the "technical fact" that you've brought up above actually.
It also makes chronological sense and tempting to speculate that his escape was planned - after Budget announcement, after YOG announcement, and in the midst of the Budget debate etc...
However, by being a staunch ally of the US against terror (or oil in US's case), Singapore is just trying to protect its interests, whether economical or political.
But more importantly, it is to show the terror threats that the authorities will come down hard on them.
This silly escape merely contradicts Singapore's stand isn't it?
It would only prove the incompetence of the security personnel and be the target of future threats.
By saying that Mas Selamat has escaped detention easily, wouldn't it boost the egos of those in the JI terror network?
Which is why I don't think Singapore would intentionally let him go/report that he's gone and etc, just to distract us from more imporatant issues.
Ash,
>> However, by being a staunch ally of the US against terror (or oil in US's case), Singapore is just trying to protect its interests, whether economical or political.
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That I agree. That’s what I have always been saying too. Singapore is far, far too dependent on US, to the point that when the US commands Singapore, Singapore will just wag its tails obediently for its master.
>>But more importantly, it is to show the terror threats that the authorities will come down hard on them.
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That I don’t agree. I have never believed in this war on “terror” stuff. The only terror I know is that of oppressive nations invading other nations for oil.
>> This silly escape merely contradicts Singapore's stand isn't it?
It would only prove the incompetence of the security personnel and be the target of future threats.
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I believe Singapore has bitten off more than it could chew. Initially, I had the idea that they intended him to “escape”, so that the US could hatch a new “terror” strike in some other part of the world, and attribute to Selamat.
After all, the US Presidential elections is coming and many Americans want to end the war. What better way to jolt Americans back into “war mode” with another terror attack – masterminded by none other than “one of the most feared terrorists”, Kas Selamat.
>>By saying that Mas Selamat has escaped detention easily, wouldn't it boost the egos of those in the JI terror network?
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That argument is meaningless to me. I have always believed that Al Qaida is the phantom arm of the CIA, so that US can give an excuse to go to war. Likewise, clueless JI, an Indonesian religious group, has now been black-marked by the pro-war parties, to get the world to support the war to invade countries.
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